So I've saw quite a few people talking about different pain ointments and oils. My acupuncturist recommended a liquid called "white flower." It has menthol, camphor and wintergreen in it. It smells pretty potent but I've found quite a few uses for it. Sometimes my skin can't stand even touching pant legs and if I put some of this on it numbs the skin just enough that I'm not so bothered by clothes. Or if my bad knee is giving me problems it helps with some of the pain. I've found it on amazon so I can more and if anyone is interested I can post the link.